#286 - I'm not seeing your latest designs? What # number. Also, I'm thinking extend / lengthen the silver part on the left hand side to come into line with the gold. Others, I completely agree, let's forget about them on concentrate on us. See what you think, reference the numbers for some reason my screen isn't giving me a logical order.
Your comments ribbons/flags - yes, very much so, but I look at them as the flaring of the eagles wings - spread your wings and take to the sky! That is very appealing and seems to be a big factor, but certainly ribbon, flag like, absolutely !
#300 and #301 are variations of #286 #302 is the triangle wing design enhanced and I've just uploaded #303 and #304 which has the top half at the same length to the right as the bottom half
#303/204 - Very nice indeed. We are not seeing exactly the same picture, but let me look at these a bit. Hard to explain exactly what I mean. Well let me try again - Front end / eagles beak #286 - I love it. Leave as is. Rear portion of silver element - try to extend further to be more or less in line with gold element / ribbon. #286 is exceptional but I love #304 too. See what can be done? (sorry to be driving you insane!)
Concepts #286 or #305. Very very very hard to choose. See if silver element can be extended and what that will look like. Maybe i'm wrong? Also i'm favouring beak of #286 over #305, BUT, that can change. I need to step away a while and re-look. I need to draw the tail and see how the two compare. Nothing easy at all!
#306 - Now if we think this might work on the tail, what if we now get it back inside the triangle for the fuselage motif as well as the official logo i.e.: website, paper etc. Could that work?
#318 #319 and #320 are different variations on the triangle. I shall do a solid gold version too, but I need to get a couple of hours sleep first :) nearly 5am here!
In reality the background / tail red will be closer to #56 red than #306 red.
#318/320 - I'm not sure. It's gonna be a silver fuselage colour, so IF, and a big IF, if the triangle stays, it's gonna be in GOLD or YOUR original idea of being in red. Then whichever colour it's in, the ribbon elemnts will be the others. Then the question of outline or no outline, i would prefer without but if the ribbon element is silver, and the fuselage silver...... why do I have to be so difficult!!!!
Ref to last comment - #219/220 - I'm so loving those red triangles! #220 I guess is the closest colour so if we use that and the ribbons/head/flag/wings come out in gold and...silver i guess. The silver might be a subtle difference to that of the fuselage or might be the same?
for the colors, I can change those for you at any time, if I win the contest. Even after the contest, all I'll need is color codes from you whenever you get them :) I'll upload a gold triangle with red/silver ribbon wing head soon!
For a nice modern shape of a tail, the shape and form, not about the design, see - http://www.newairplane.com/787/whos_flying/#/AIN The shape of the particular aircraft we are flying, see - http://www.newairplane.com/777/whosFlying/#/AAL #357 is a great shape but tending a bit retro and looks more like a wing than a tail. If, if this concept is to be followed ?, it has very strong competition from concepts #306 and #346.
tail motif would have to be in red, ribbons in colours as #306. eagle's head always pointing forward in direction airplane is moving, complicated, i know!!
#362 is a plane tail rendition :) lol all designers are guilty of watching, even myself. It does help everyone bring out their best, so it's not too bad :)
If you look at the screen from a distance, and see the natural gleam and 3d effect coming from #369, it stands out, it excels. For me #368 is special, but #369 is even more :)
http://jetabout.webs.com/Templates/773w.jpg Where you will get the proper to scale diagram of the exterior of the Boeing 777-300ER. For your use of the rear end. In the event that you might ever need it, the full Ps, IL or Id, template kit can be downloaded too.
I'm thinking style #358 for the official corporate logo. With or without the red wing behind, I don't know yet? This appears everywhere the airline appears but not in that format on the aircraft itself. Sometimes the colours may change, depending on the background and place of appearance. Then there is the design on the aircraft which are variants of the logo. The tail and surrounding is almost as good as this design can be. The titling and what accompanies it is again, like the tail, a matter of design. All the pieces of the puzzle are on the table, not so easy to get the right fit. The one thing we shouldn't do is get too over elaborate, too fancy. Well, on the other hand we may need to, that's not a discussion we can have here. Read my daily update, whatever it's called, it's worthwhile ; )
The logo of the eagle (let's call it the eagle, it is) is horizontal in #369 , as displayed on the tail, I like that. It's angled up in #358 , the "corporate logo", and I like that! They certainly don't have to be illustrated in the same fashion. The tail you have used in #358 is also perfectly suited because it is well balanced with the eagle, (if we choose to leave the tail in the logo" that does not have to be changed. Think about the typestyle, is it right, is it the correct weight, a little bit thicker, bolder maybe. Think about what colour to illustrate it in, that should be the same colour that we use for the titling on the aircraft. What about not going in black and going in a very mysterious red, tending towards burgundy or even cherry. What do you think, Illumina?
It creates a bit of a problem. I'm really liking #369 so much, and already miss the gleam of that distance effect created by the width.
#459 the nose of the eagle is a little too close to the edge of the tail, them aircraft painter guys are gonna yell at us!!!
Even if I accept the changes to design on the body under tail (better, I was concerned we were going a bit too elaborate), I wonder if the style of the #369 tail design (the tail itself) cannot be more closely duplicated on the B77W tail. Including that brilliant angle away at the top of the red of the tail, which is again representative of the eagles wing, reminiscent of elements of the original historic design, and also, if you look in plan profile view of the 77W, THAT is the shape of the edge of it's wing!
That is one of the many reasons why this GROUP OF DESIGNS is so good.
I changed the red slightly in #460 because with the previous red, when adding the highlighting, it became too much of a bright red, with this red it doesnt get so blindingly bright when highlighted, and when the light plays off it, it wont hurt the eyes to look at :)
The more i look at #459 , the more i like it. Even the tip of the wing looks good now.
There are a few problems with it though -
The eagle is overlapping the tail, it has to come in a little. Also because the red starts so early, we lose the eye effect created by the gap as well as the soft shadow, both of which were fantastic. I also still prefer the horizontal ribbing to the rear, as in #460 , as it does give me a sense of forward motion. The integration of the fuselage with the colour, predominantly red on #459, as opposed to gold on #460, a little more conservative, let's say, we want to avoid the overuse of too much gold, we don't want portray an image of opulence and indulgence, (take a look at Gulf Air, Etihad and Emirates).
Well, a bit of swinging back and forth but huge progress once again today. The motion is all forward, just like the airplane itself!
Very good indeed. We do lose some of the effects but maybe we gonna have to live with that. Anyway, as with the original concept, it did take me a little time to see things your way, but i did eventually :)
I aslo like the deeper red of #460 but I guess you can change that any time.
I was reading the rules, I thought final 7 days judgement phase would be secret and the winner announced after some suspense / drumroll. It does not appear to work that way. It seems everything stays public so tomorrow I will start to pull the rankings into proper order. This client has been very complicated because there are actually 3 design items being dealt with at once. Anyway I'll figure out how to do the rankings properly, I think the suspense is over and everyone knows the outcome already. I think it's pretty obvious!
Getting late here now, off to bed, see you tomorrow!!
#463 - Yes, great, but, I'm tired, I need to look with fresh eyes tomorrow. Leave the tail now if you can and take a look at the corporate logo and titling, I'm thinking on the silver background although much will be on red too, (I did warn you!). After that, I think it concludes the designing, maybe some minor tweaks and that will be that for now.