hi sir, excuse me to copy your previous message, this help me to compare and understand what you said above.
please ignore this.. this is just a help so i shouldn't scroll up and down to see the logo :)
I think you've got it with
#185. I like that as my primary logo.
I'd also like to have:
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#186 as a backup (when I'm printing and reproducing on paper)
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#185 put into the format of #116
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#185 and
#186 as just the logo
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#185 and
#186 as just "The Steuben Group"
thank you so much sir