I know they were my suggestions, but I like the new ones even less. They look neat, but there's simply too much going on in the logos. With the target, the wording, the name of the company, the person and the flur-de-lis, it's just too much.
Can you simplify it? I'm thinking we can use the wording as a tag line underneath and not have it in the logo itself. That way the shooter can be bigger and the TG&G can be bigger. For example,
#135, eliminate the outer red ring so the shooter is bigger and make TG&G a lot bigger.
Also, can you give me something rectangle but with all the same ideas? Like
#30 but without the pistols and with the shooter? Something that could be made into a 2"x3" patch.
I really appreciate your patience, we're getting there. My partners and I just haven't seen one where we say "That's it!"