Hey Tami :) Here are the revisions from the last two rounds of your PS feedback. Looking at them side by side, I think I like the versions without the top-most drop (which leaves 5 small drops and 5 streams - much better paired asymmetry than the 6 drops) I like #470 out of all of them, personally.
I'll be uploading the on-white versions in a minute or two.
are you ready?? haha - sorry...I hate uploading color variations...I'm sure it's so overwhelming...
#473 / #474 / #475 These are the "6 drop" fountains with 4-sides. I have a slate, a brighter blue and a darker brown (I pulled a tone from the metallic gradient , darkened it up & pulled a little of the saturation away from it)
#476 / #477 the single-line border around the outside in dark brown and slate
#478 / #479 / #480 the double-line border around the outside in dark brown and slate and then a single color version - I knew you hadn't seen a single color version in a while and I think the 1C versions are really important, so just wante dot make sure you had a version to look at.
There's a lot to consider between these last two posts! The important thing to remember is that I can supply color variations, so it's not super essential that you choose between colors. It's really you're preference in forms / composition that matters. That might make the decisions a little easier (it would for me, anyway)
Sorry, being picky again... can you do the white background without the gradient and texture effect? Just for 472 and 469. No other color options are needed. Thanks!
let me know if I missed anything! I had a checklist running, but I kinda lost track in that last wave that I uploaded.
Sorry - didn't mean that I don't like to do color variations...didn't know if it came across that way. I don't like flooding you with too many choices, is all. If there's any color you want to see, you just let me know :)
oh - #485 is the wider-gap version, but let me know if you don't think it's wide enough yet. I could see the distinction when I checked it out pretty small...but I made it, so I might be seeing things that aren't there :)
#486 - I think you asked for this at one point, but I don't remember where. Just to note - the filligree is all hand-drawn / original (as everything **should** be on the site, but every once in a while you get a stock-using bad apple...) I also know that some designers don't consider swashes to be stock art. Just to alleviate any concern.
Hand-drawn? Wow! Now, you're really going to make it hard to decide between your two logos! :)
Excellent. I can't believe after all those iterations, I'm down to no border on the fountain one. Well... simple is better, in my opinion. It's just beautiful.
I guess at this point, everything is communicated via private message, is that correct? I'd like to sit on these final designs a bit and let you know in a day or two if I have changes. Does that work for you? I think I have seven days, right?
you bet - I draw everything myself! The only stock I buy is photo-work (although I take quite a bit of that myself, too - stock photos tend to LOOK like stock photos)
Honestly - I feel much better knowing that we explored all of those other options and have ruled them out, rather than having NOT done them and feeling like you're missing out on something better. It's always better to try it and see.
Whatever you want is fine - I get an saying I have a new message either way, so I'll let you decide. Although the PM feature does have a ""quote" button...if that makes a difference. You're going to make me wait a week!! The anxiety will kill me!! haha - just kidding :) Take as long as you need. Also - if you want to make to try something else, I can still make revisions in judging mode. I'll check back in a little later, if that's okay. My sons have been been patiently waiting for some post-lunch ice cream I promised them this morning :)
thanks again for all of your great feedback Tami! josh
I'm only going to take a DAY, not a week! I need to step back, see what my friends think... although if they know nothing about design, I hesitate to do that.
Here are the revisions :) for #496 / #497 - the "flat gold"...let me know if that gold works for you...it's PMS 7407 if you happen to have a swatch book. It looks a little more saturated on-screen that real life...I've used that for float gold in the past and find it's not too green or red...but if you've got a 4C breakdown you'd prefer to use, just let me know. "Gold" seems to be one of those colors that people have different ideas opinions on. :)
Sorry, I never got back to you on the flat gold color (497). It's a real divergence from the other color you were using, and I think I like the coppery color better. Thanks!
Here's a version with the requested font. I also adjusted the first/second tier a hair...just to see if that sort of bridged the gap between too close and not close enough. Let me know what you think.
I'll also work on different flat gold? What would you think about some other, brighter flat colors - maybe a yellow / yellow-green "citron" type of color? Just throwing it out there :)
505... I think everything shrank down, not just the second level, so proportionally, it's the same. Or maybe you thought I meant the top tier, not the bottom tier? No worries... I'll play with it in Photoshop if I think it needs to be adjusted.
Yellow-green citron is pretty, and it's fresh and trendy right now -- and the color of my office, actually -- but it's not one of my business colors. Still, now you've got me curious. :)
Hey, Josh... I'm starting to obsess over the two little bumps on the right side of the lower tier. :)
Can those be modified a little or maybe just the one on the far right to make it less prominent? Whatever you think in keeping with the integrity of the design. Thanks!
hahahahahaha - once you pointed it out, they were driving me crazy, too! I don't know how I didn't notice them earlier. I think this version works much better.
I think that last revision with those points really sealed it (for me, anyway) I wasn't sure what was bothering but I think that was it. It balanced out that side...felt heavy before. There's always something that can be tweaked, but not always in a way to make it better, if that makes sense?
My only thing with Trajan specifically is that I feel like it's a touch over-used...that's more of a designer-complaint than a practicality-complaint, though. It is more formal & elegant than Friz Quadrata.
I think that side is WAY better, but the bumps are still "twins"... same height, same fullness, etc. Could you make one of them a little different so they don't look the same? I know... picky, picky...
I get it about Trajan Pro. I can believe it's overused. Every other designer used it in their designs. :)
I do like Friz Q a lot, and I like that it's unique. It's similar to what I originally picked for my name a while back.
I think that side is WAY better, but the bumps are still "twins"... same height, same fullness, etc. Could you make one of them a little different so they don't look the same? I know... picky, picky...
I get it about Trajan Pro. I can believe it's overused. Every other designer used it in their designs. :)
I do like Friz Q a lot, and I like that it's unique. It's similar to what I originally picked for my name a while back.
no no - that's a good point. I'll have a revision up in a minute.
I don't even think Trajan is overused in the "real world" (except movie posters...) I think on contest sites, Trajan is the go-to font for every finance or legal logo and many real estate contests (It's the "we're being serious now" font-of-choice) Really, though...I think it **is** just on contest sites. Not really a concern for you, just a nitpick for me (and not even a major one) :D
Sorry, I meant to say this long before, but I didn't think it was important until someone pointed it out (and I don't want it to affect how people vote). Can you make "REAL ESTATE" larger? It's hard to read. Thanks!
To me that is WAY more abstract. I don't even recognize it as a fountain. I was looking for the opposite (something less abstract). Oh well... thought I'd try. :)
Here's a re-drawn fountain similar to the existing, but symmetrical and with more even distribution of the forms. This is also a silhouette. I think the problem with the last one was that it was partial silhouette, part linedrawing...made it too complicated.
Sorry, Josh, I may not be using the right words. I'm looking for a bit more refinement, cleaner lines... less fluffy. It's partly the water, which is very fluffy. Does that make sense? I'm not looking for a totally new design, just a smoothing out of the existing one perhaps.
514 may be on the right track, but the bottom looks a little bulbous, less elegant. I'll see if I can find an example of what I'm trying to describe.
It's hard to tell someone what you want sometimes because you don't always know it until you see it. I'm sure on your end it can be extremely frustrating, especially when everything is via online communication... not always the most effective. :)
I like the water much better now! I like the shape of the droplets better too and prefer them over just the dots.
The fountain is much more refined and elegant. It got short again, though. Looks better taller and not so thin. It is VERY different from the original. I really was hoping to retain the look of the other with a bit more refinement. Perhaps I'm asking for something that can't be done, though. I'll keep looking for examples of what I'm seeing in my head.
Is that better? Sorry - tried to keep it about the same proportions, but in a side-by-side comparison, it did get shorter. I think I just have in my head that fountains or more horizontal than vertical, so I can't draw one that's thinner right off the bat. Let me know if this one works better.
I like it, but as I mentioned before, I didn't want to completely move away from what you had... I just wanted to refine it a bit. This is so different and, to be honest, not as interesting. It has lost its charm.
Here's another fountain similar to the one you referenced (I had to make the graphic taller to accommodate) I also tried one with the thinner water jets.
I hope you got my message about wanting to keep the integrity of the original design... just wanted minor refinements. We're getting really far away from that.
Hi Tami :) Here's #469 with the droplets from #517. The type is Friz Quadrata Regular - it used to be a part of the adobe font package (...but I've been upgrading since Adobe v9, so they might have dropped it in later versions?) The logo is 100% vector in Illustrator. I'll also include a gray type with transparent / white background, a solid black, and a solid white versions file as well. To complete the LT contest, you'll need to pick 3 different designers in the top 3 spots. Then I'll upload the required .eps & .jpg files. You'll need to then review & approve them to "officially" close the contest. I'll then email you the alternate-color files and some alternate formats fo the winning logo (including web .pngs and hi-res .tifs) If there are any other formats you'd want to have, just let me know :)
It's been a long trip, but I'm really glad with the end result! I think this is a great logo in my portfolio here on LT! josh