hi bugy - im in sydney :) nice to meet u!tks for your design, yup - always up for looking at new concepts!
am keeping an open mind, unfort thou #187 i just dont connect with, i think its because its a bit dull and not very inspiring, ive put so much energy into SKIN ENGINEER and its a business that it just has to go places - and i want people to look at my logo and see that energy (not hyper - but just a good energy feel about it), the current typefont doesnt show it for me, it does hit on things in the brief but i think i need something thats a bit more exciting - SKIN ENGINEER is the best formulated products for men to ever hit the market, but it needs to compete with more established brands and have a real shelf presence so that people buy it - ... unfort i dont think that #187 gets there.....
however - #186 i get where you are going with it, i totally hear you on the grey being more sophisticated and caps being a bit lynx/brut feel about it (but i guess its the caps that gives the logos i like a bit of energy abt it) ... i do like this one as it reads expensive, this would be perfect for older guys 45-65 i think, but because im targeting 25-35, i need something that is a bit more modern looking; i do like how you ahve extended the k, its a nice touch ... is it possible to try to make #186 a bit more modern looking ... i guess a key distinction is that i dont really want to have a classy brand (that too me is a bit old school), i want to have an expensive innovative niche brand - i know its hard as modern doesnt equal expensive a lot of the time, but am trying to hit a balance .... i hope this helps u in revising your design!