Hi Zero, Hmmm, I haven't ranked any of these yet as they are still not there nor are the others that I have ranked to be frank, I dont quite know how to get it across that SDS, contrary to the image it currently portrays on its website, deals with the highest level of security worldwide and needs a logo that does not look too young and commercial, it is not a burger king or rope manufacturer it is operating with heads of countries and the very top security co's so it needs class and style without being too garish and also not being bland! Tough I know, there are ten hours to go.... cheers Geoff