Hi Liliya - thanks for all the extra ideas and variations. We still feel #38 is very strong, and out of the simplified variants I think #74 might be the best in that it's a bolder, simplified shape which will stand out well in a variety of settings. Could we see what it looks like for the central cross in #74 or #75 to be a bit more solidly cross-like in the middle (i.e. looking a bit less like fan blades) - it might need the figures to be realigned a little. It's a bit awkward because I'd hate to lose all the character from your original lines, but do you see what we're after? Thanks for #77 in response to our specific request. I think it's helped us work out that shapes which look too flower-like are not right for us, and that would include #68, #69 and #70 too. We had a good discussion about #66 - the energy is great, but it reminds me how important it is to have a simple design we can put over a variety of textures later. The paint splat is a brilliant example of something we could use, but not as the main feature of the logo. Feel free to use it, or something like it, as a background in variations or other ideas - if they look good together, I think that would mean the logo is simple and versatile, which would be great! Hope that makes sense. Many thanks again, Bern