Alright, I think we just sent you on a wild goose chase. Sorry about that. Too many elements, huh? We LOVE what you came up with but we just keep going back to simpler designs. This logo is going to be on shirts, notebooks, bumperstickers and most importantly emblazoned down the side of a huge semi tractor trailer (the equipment "bus" has grown since the days when I was in marching band!). Back to #13, can we get just a hair more definition on he horn player, a slightly longer horn (not much!), and maybe stylize a bass drum (slanted/movement?) mostly obscured by but peeking out the right side of and below the flag? And please incorporate the fonts of #21 with everything shortened (squashed) shorter and italicized for movement. (?) Just returned from the drum line's competition where they pulled 2nd place beating all but one of the bands that were all in a higher division than our "Pride of Granbury" drum line. Gotta try at least to include that drum line. Sorry but the flutes will have to take a back seat to the trumpet player (familiar territory though, huh ; ) - Rich