Thanks Kent, I don't think that the revisions made yogurt more pronounced, That is the problem with a lot of these fonts,,,,is the 60 yo guy walking down the street going to be able to read the sign? The other day I went to an afternoon movie over off of Davis. I went in there sat down and the movie was completely out of focus. There were over sixty people in there and I didn't see anyone complain, get up and leave the theater, nothing. No one in there was under 55 probably. It occurred to me that most of the people in there couldn't tell. Anyway. I like most of your designs. May I make one final suggestion try stripping one down to just black and white with maybe a tiny bit of color. The reason some of your competitors are doing so well is because it is simple and elegant.....I hope to see some more of your work. Thanks