Both of those are what I'm looking for! #11 and #10 are in the right direction! #11 is a little more complex and I like the 72 holes! Maybe try and develop it more! #10 is a simple idea of what I'm looking for so I have the simple look. Now I just want to see more complex looking designs. More detail on the ring, rings that stand out, rings that catch peoples eyes, Ect! Think that's possible? Out side of that... You have what I'm looking for!