#3 and #4 are clever, better but again, I want the NJM to stand on it's on and I'm afraid that the color background takes away from the N and the M.....example, the M looks like a V. RAFA, thank you for your interest and thank you for continuing to try! Please keep the copper metallic color in mind, although I said I was open to other things....the copper metallic is still tops with me and I would rather have a one (1) color logo, meaning copper, white or copper and black! Thank you!