Nice designs and looking forward to more of your creative ideas! Only specific comments on these two particular ideas are that they may be too formal for this group and this event. Also please continue to review my on-going high-level general comments and tips, made to the entire group in the LogoTournament Brief. These are very important. As an example, you'll find some comments about "too wide" and "thin line" elements, germane to Entries 1 and 7, respectively. Great job so far! Thanks and best, Mark