ibot thanks for your work these are looking great and getting really good response from our group. Could we look at a version much like #21 with the letters all capitals, the A would be open at the bottom and the "R" would fill up more of the negative space below it there? Maybe that version in all gray? The #13 is also getting good remarks. Is there any way to add a little bit of 3D box effect to that box around the ari? Or maybe it's a combination of #13 and #21 somehow?